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TOPIC: Eruv - Religious Boundary

Eruv - Religious Boundary 3 years 11 months ago #15

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The Eruv Thread :S

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Eruv - Religious Boundary 3 years 11 months ago #16

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....I will stick my neck out first then.

Having lived in South Prestwich for 21 years I have seen the area as well as Sedgley Park & Broughton change beyond recognition. They have set up an Eruv there and the area is almost full to bursting with Jewish people ranging from non orthodox to Hassidic all groups catered for. When i was younger the only Jewish people you saw/neighboured tended to be low key & unorthodox.
When you drive from Lower Broughton to Prestwich you see the area is almost entirely Orthodox Jewish now (Bury New Road, Leicester Road & Kings Road). Most shops are closed on a Saturday, the roads empty and the sounds of chanting from various front rooms. I find this quite a departure from how things were.and it is apparent that non Jews are increasingly the minority. This isn't a problem to me, people can live where they want to, whatever their creed/beliefs. However actively promoting an area to be friendly and desirable for people of a chosen religion leads to diverse communities being destroyed and areas becoming alien to the everyday family.

The Eruv in North Manchester/Salford has clearly worked in its aim. My parents have been told by their neighbours there are Jewish families in London waiting to buy if they decided to sell up. Why can't those on this side of town who are clearly living well alongside our diverse community move to Prestwich if they are so bothered about it.

Nobody has the right to say this area is now officially welcoming to a specific group of people. It is not the Jewish peoples area any more than Muslims, Chinese, Spanish, Irish or British people. We live as a lovely diverse area where we aren't defined by a religion or race of person who is more welcome than others. This creates division and splits communities up. In truth we are a secular country and all the better that one religion doesn't have exclusivity or great control over those in power.

The pro-Eruv camp will no doubt say it won't make a difference and people will be accused of being racist for speaking up. Look at North Manchester for the evidence that areas change beyond recognition. Celebrate your religion, but it doesn't give you any right to designate a large area as 'yours' in the name of religion. It is our area and we don't need engineered population controls to destroy it.

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Eruv - Religious Boundary 3 years 11 months ago #17

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Many thanks for this thoughtful response about how the Eruv in North Manchester is working in practice. Here in the Hale area, we are also part of a very diverse community, with many religions and ethnic groups represented, and co-existing very harmoniously.

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Eruv - Religious Boundary 3 years 11 months ago #20

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Well, what a meeting that was! I would guess around 400 attended, and the local feeing was very much underestimated.
Very simple things like a PA missing, and it was not chaired at all well. Though when the Rabbi did come in and take over the mood swing did sway.

It was wrong tonight to "announce" that the planning application in its current form would be submitted <in a couple of weeks>
I do hope that the masses have been listened to this evening and the plan in its current form is re-considered.
What a shame to see a community that was united, to then be divided like this.

This is far from over though

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Eruv - Religious Boundary 3 years 11 months ago #21

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BBC Northwest Tonight visited the Wellgreen 30th November 2014

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Eruv - Religious Boundary 3 years 11 months ago #24

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167 views a shame not many feeling strongly enough about the issue to say anything.

A few passing thoughts on the matter:

1) Has there has been poor interest in the new Hale Barns complex? The plan for the Eruv could bring new people into the area including opportunities for new business to set up. Haven't been to HB since Co-op closed and now go to Hale or Alty as I imagine many will continue to do .How would people feel if it became full of shops catering for mainly Jewish customers? It would bring a different feel to the area, The Eruv plan could revitalise the area giving it a clear identity & diversity to the wider area.

2) If the plan went ahead it would further increase house prices which makes local houses less affordable for our children . People won't be forced to sell their houses because of the plan. Indeed those who aren't bothered about the area could make more money when they move.
Those who are opposed to the plan could make sure they don't sell to Jewish people. Is this what we really want?

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